# Sustaining and Revitalizing Democracies: A Conversation with Brook Manville and Josiah Ober

**URL:** <https://www.libertarianism.org/podcasts/the-liberty-exchange/sustaining-and-revitalizing-democracies-a-conversation-with-brook-manville-and-josiah-ober>

**By** Josiah Ober, Brook Manville, Jonathan Fortier

**Published:** July 25, 2024

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Essential qualities for robust democracies.

In this episode, Jonathan Fortier talks with Brook Manville and Josiah Ober about their recent book, _The Civic Bargain_: _How Democracy Survives_ (Princeton, 2023). Manville and Ober identify essential qualities for robust democracies, and explore how ancient Athens, republican Rome, parliamentary Britain, and the American Founding each struggled to develop and maintain key practices and institutions to preserve their political orders.